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hey guys one sec let me play the intro

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one realizes very quickly we've been

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I had access to to all those programs

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40 feet long no windows no no real wings

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or control surfaces no obvious signs of

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propulsion and yet this object is

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witnessed Now by four separate

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individuals in two separate aircraft

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hey guys how's it going my apologies for

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the delay

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now unfortunately Nicole is still not

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with us but I'm going live and I might

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have another guest jumping on so

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these things happen you know these

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things happen when you're doing live

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streams you know if this was just a

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simple recording then I could just wait

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for Nicole to turn up or we could record

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um I just hope that she's okay that's

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all that matters I spoke to Nicole

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yesterday or the day before and we were

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like had a back and forth she you know

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she had the link and the times but

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life gets in the way of these things so

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whatever happens I just hope that Nicole

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is okay so let's chat to you guys while

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I wait for my uh other guest

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um let's have a look in the chat here

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I've got Jason Benji Lara Andre Dave

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fusy electron

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blue eyes

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you guys are awesome I really appreciate

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you guys hanging around

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um and and that night gazer good to see

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um so yeah like I said these things

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happen it's okay I'm sure we can get

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Nicole on another time she may still

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turn up my other guest

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um and a huge thank you to this

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gentleman because I know he's had a busy

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week but I'm gonna bring him on right

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now the man of the moment the man who

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put together crash retriever week please

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welcome James iandoli

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hey

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how you doing

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I'm good man well this is a turn up for

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the books yeah you know what it just

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happened to be perfect timing uh like

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literally

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just boom right

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I appreciate it so much man you know

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we've I've been wanting to speak to you

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again for some time but dude you've been

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so busy and I completely get that so

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thank you so much for jumping on and if

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Nicole jumps on still that's great uh

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you know we can still have that

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conversation that was planned but but

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James man what a week for you man you've

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had two huge panel discussions so let's

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talk about that and maybe you can sort

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of talk about some of the highlights

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from those conversations uh starting

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with I think it was Ross Coulter Ryan

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Robbins Christopher sharp so yeah dude

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incredible man yeah so I mean again the

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the talk with Ross and and Christopher

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sharpen and uh Ryan Robbins AKA UFO

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a little uh a little somber right if

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we're gonna use that that word because

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you know Ross Ross was a little

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pessimistic and I get it because he has

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inside sources tell and I mean we all do

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have telling us different things and

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and I think that's Ross's inclination as

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well like I'm not going to speak for him

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but I I I've noticed you know he tends

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to to be that way but again he I know he

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wants people to to use that as a

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determination to say like this is

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on here but yes she can my friend his

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good old phrase [\h__\h] him right like he I

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love when he you know he brings that

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attitude and spirit to it because it

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really is nonsense

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um some of the things that are going on

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progress we've made right it's like

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still we like we're still doing this and

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and I get it right because if there are

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different factions right like there's a

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faction that's trying to get this out

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within DOD within intelligence

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um and and and different sectors that

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are for transparency and then there's a

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group of individuals in in those same

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organizations and and institutions that

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are not for transparency you know we're

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that's what we're seeing we're seeing

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the kind of rollout I mean there's

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different names for some of the groups

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Gary Reed thing and you know we've heard

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the the terminology and name Collins

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um we know the air force uh U.S Air

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um they've been trying to undermine the

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effort as you know as far as an

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organization goes right as far as we can

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tell that's all we've heard

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um you know I haven't spoken to anybody

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from the Air Force so except for one

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person but you know they're not tapped

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this is what we're seeing roll out and I

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you know he's he's an OG he's a legend

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he's been in this so so long and he said

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listen you know the closer we get we get

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to this right to the core the core

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Secrets or you know the the the

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fundamental basis of this the

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gatekeeping and the secrecy around UFOs

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um which crash retrievals and you know

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is because it's dude it's the Holy Grail

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there's you know you can say oh you know

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we have an unidentified object in the

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sky or underwater and or in space and

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it's trans medium but if you have actual

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material you know that's it's that's

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beyond evidence that's proof

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you know Humanity being engaged with a

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cross that and again when I was talking

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of the panels he said that's the red

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line once you cross that line I mean

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that like well I think on a consensus

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level we've already kind of crossed the

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point of no return

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but once you cross that line that's

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um like again the general public has

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like the entertainment of the idea of it

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being serious has been introduced the

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stigma has been reduced it's not fully

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gone but once once you cross that line

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hit people like holy [\h__\h] this is real

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you know that's that's the moment of of

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contact right if we're going to use the

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name for James Fox's excellent movie

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um that's that's the point in which you

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know there truly is no going back and

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that's that's when everybody on this

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planet has to face the reality Point

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yeah absolutely man and this is you know

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stuff I was going to talk to Nicole

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about tonight and in in particular I

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um from 1985 at the advanced theoretical

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physics conference involving the

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advanced theoretical physics working

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group and because you know we've had the

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now the ATP group has come in I think

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that adds more to the conversation so

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what are your thoughts on the importance

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of what happened back in the 80s with

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John Alexander's group yeah so I mean uh

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you know first shout out to Omega point

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and the Hermetic penetrator oh yeah for

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putting together loose threads

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um you know and a number of US helped

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them as as much as we can on the side

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while they really did the the big work

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the heavy lifting and some of us were

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just like pushing supporting you know

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throwing in what we can and you know

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what they did is is absolutely brilliant

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and um I mean as as far I'm concerned as

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as a like a researcher and I you know

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public in the last few years but to me

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that is like you know true UFO research

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that's what it's about so what they did

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it makes me proud right as a UFO

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researcher that that they were able to

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make that accomplishment I'm like wow

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you know I'm amongst like some really

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theoretical physics working group that

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Blackburn the guy from Lockheed

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individuals that we are all familiar

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um which again back in that time they

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security clearances called the advanced

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theoretical uh physics working group

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the UFO idea right they didn't want to

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be looked at as a UFO group or be able

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to be foyed and and oh we found the

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secret UFO group so they were very

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all the same people right you know I

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on the MJ 12 documents so and and had a

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background in Aerospace so all those

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people did um you know they were trying

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but these were people that were kind of

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like heavyweights they had you know high

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level security clearances they had

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connections in the intelligence world in

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now because these people were doing all

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this crazy work back then

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remote viewing You Know Jack Houck

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had done incredible work with you know

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you know remote viewing but also like

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the spoon bending which you know John

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Alexander and and then we're throwing

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spoon bending cardies back then

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um which which is a is a fascinating

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phenomena

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um to begin with

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but the so the loose threads is kind of

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showing their entire Journey from you

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know almost pre-1985 up to modern day

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and they kind of argue that you know we

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probably wouldn't have

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um atip and Os app if those efforts

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weren't um put forward and you know they

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again they were able to dig up a lot of

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things and there's a I mean you got to

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read the paper lose threads because

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there's just there's just so many things

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in there to go over

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um you know they talk about Bobby Ray

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and you know how

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he was he was very very involved in this

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and if you look up you look the man up

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it's like holy [\h__\h] uh this this is like

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you know this guy's on the committee

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right mj-12 kind of figure like wow you

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know the director of the NSA and all

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these other

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um roles that he played

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and you know I'm really glad they

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included Bob exler yeah because he you

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know he was a NASA engineer and he was I

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mean again he was just a badass man he

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was doing incredible work

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you know he asked him at a conference

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hey I want to talk to you on MJ 12 and

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you know Bobby Raymond kind of like

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gives him a nod and a smile and then

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they end up getting in touch afterwards

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so and and there's a recorded phone call

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so you know uh Bob exler has has

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um Bobby Ray Inman on a recorded phone

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call and it's obvious that that Bobby

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Ray Inman had no idea that this call was

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being recorded

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and you know he's talking about crash

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retrievals and reverse engineering

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programs and how you know Bob as a NASA

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engineer would be able to offer his

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expertise and if that you know it would

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ever be made puff you know public

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um that other scientists can work on it

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and and you know Bobby Raymond saying no

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uh you know 10 years ago I'd say

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definitely not he said maybe

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nowadays things are different and then

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be more open so I mean just and again

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these are all kind of loose threads yeah

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that that Omega point and the Hermetic

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penetrator are putting together to kind

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of put together a tapestry

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and again fantastic work and

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it's again it goes up to even up to

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modern day with everything so I I can't

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say enough about it yeah absolutely for

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anybody that's interested in the paper

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it is in the description below along

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with James's channel uh where you can go

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and see the two incredible panels that

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happened this week for crash retrieval

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week but also just historically James's

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work and his interviews are well well

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worth checking out

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um and you mentioned there about all

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these connections that were made between

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different people and it was really

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impressive to see what happened the

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moment that Jay from Project Unity

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interviewed out Shannon there was that

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Snowball Effect where Grant piped up and

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he's like well I've got Oaks notes and

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then Melinda Leslie popped up with Jack

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Hulk's notes and you see this is what

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can happen when people work together in

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this subject we see a snowball effect of

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data and information that we've been

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crying out for you know what are your

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thoughts on that yeah and it's

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incredible I mean it's absolutely

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incredible because these notes are from

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you know the 1980s and the 1990s and in

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in the notes it's it's it's

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referring to things that are in the

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Wilson Davison memo right the notes the

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meeting when Dr Davis met with vice

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admiral Tom Wilson then retired in 2002

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uh to talk about Crash retrieval and

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reverse engineering programs

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and you know again Tom you know vice

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admiral Tom Wilson with all due respect

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to the man

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um you know he he was like I don't know

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who Eric is you know it says in the

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notes that if if

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the notes ever came out or you know if

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if this conversation ever got out he

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would deny knowing Eric and that's

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exactly what he did

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um but you know he said oh okay I might

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I might know him and he said something

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like that to journalist Billy Cox when

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when Billy Cox inquired and you know

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again we have

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Oak who was You Know instrumental and

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kind of setting up this meeting

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yeah and Oak is like yeah I was on the

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phone with Wilson for two hours

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talking about you know not just Eric

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Davis but how put off and probably kick

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green

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and you know if they're trustworthy

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and the the stuff that that Oak was

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talking about with Tom Wilson is reflect

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it's all reflected in the notes so I

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mean you couldn't have made that up

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they had that conversation in 1999 the

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notes are from 2002 because Wilson was

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retired then

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um at least from his Dia director Dia

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position and was able to have this kind

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of meeting and all you know again it's

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talking about the the eight it says in

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in I believe the Wilson notes it says AP

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10. yes because because he was on the

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phone with with Oak so he that's

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probably his abbreviated version of ATP

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10 which were in Oak's notes you know so

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I mean that's just it can't get any

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clearer than that right that these all

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these individuals were talking with each

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other in that time frame and

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communicating and coordinating which led

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to this meeting happening with Dr Eric

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Davis and Tom Wilson

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and you know again there's still the

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question of

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was you know was what Wilson was told by

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the security officer the project manager

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and the corporate lawyer accurate

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um so if and and the thing about that is

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if you had these three individuals right

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that we're trying to block Wilson out

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but they they want to appease him a

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little maybe so he would back off maybe

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they did feel sorry for him and respect

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him a little because he was the deputy

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director of the DIA at that point in J2

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um

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so if anything you know Wilson was ex

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and it says in the notes Wilson was

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expecting to find out that this is some

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kind of like Soviet technology that they

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found and they're trying to

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exploit

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and you know to his surprise they said

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no that's not what this is these this

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stuff was not made by human hands and we

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can't make we can't make sense of it

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um it's it's just so Advanced that we

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can't we can't make progress on it but

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every few years we revisit it and with

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the advancements in science and Material

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Science and Technology we see if we can

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make sense of it every few years

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and you know ended in 89 and all this

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yep so the significance of that if you

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go back and listen to the old Eric Davis

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interviews from just one or two years

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before the notes came out he's saying

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the same things you know so I was like

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come on really

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um so there's just just there's so much

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cooperation there

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um

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that it's silly to to think that the

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meeting between Eric Davis and Tom

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Wilson didn't happen at this point

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yeah absolutely yeah I mean and then

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there's also another argument of well

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you know this is just disinformation and

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I you know I don't know but if it is

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disinformation I don't know why well I

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mean I guess I could still see why I was

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gonna say why you know Eric Davis

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allegedly I don't want to say allegedly

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because the New York Times reported on

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it and Christopher Millen uh cooperated

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that Eric Davis was at a classified

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briefing where he was

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telling people with clearances who have

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need to know I guess that you know where

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some of these programs are and how they

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operate

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you know and in the New York Times

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printed that you know uh Eric Davis's

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quote about off-world vehicles

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and that's kind of the last thing we

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ever heard from Eric Davis publicly

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because you know that's he he took it

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you know he

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he took a a step a little far you know

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he he bends the rules I guess where he

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can and that was probably the last big

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one

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absolutely and these some of these

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interviews you mentioned with Eric Davis

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are

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incredible to go back on now in this

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time they're really poignant so he did

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one in mind Willis I think there's a

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couple of others flowing about there but

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I recommend anybody just take an evening

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and just go and listen to the old Eric

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Davis interviews and they're not that

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old they're only a few years old but the

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thing I mean yeah we're talking 2018

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2019 yeah the notes came out in 2019.

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um you know some of us had them early on

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and you know again I was talking with

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Erica at that time and I was not gonna

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just dump them out there because I had

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respect for him but I said hey Eric just

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so you know these are out there uh do

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you want to give a comment he said no

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comment which I didn't I didn't publish

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that for a while but

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um

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you know heads up this if if I have this

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it's eventually gonna it's gonna get out

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there and I you probably know from Joe

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merger and Danny Sullivan everybody like

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we had those notes for quite a while

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before

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you know we were every day we were like

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going on Twitter waiting for somebody to

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have post them and then they they

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finally made it out like after like I

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don't know how many months it was months

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so

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um but at the same time you know we were

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able to

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do a lot of research and digging in that

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time period so that when they actually

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did get out there and went viral we

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already had a body of research ready you

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know and you know huge huge shout out to

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Joanna Marinkovic uh UFO Google I mean

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the man has is a legend in my eyes has

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done incredible work and it's you know

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totally people have no idea how involved

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and such great work that he does

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um because he's very low-key and he

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doesn't want to take credit and all that

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stuff but he's he's really done

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tremendous work and you know they don't

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call them UFO Google for nothing

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absolutely but and this is the funny

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thing about UFO Twitter that I always

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take a step back and realize is that

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everybody thinks it's just the place

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where drama occurs and it's just a a

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place for negative conversations but

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there are some silent characters and

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some public ones such as yourself James

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who do incredible work but some of these

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Silent People if people knew that the

553
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:08,100
the things they've been doing for the

554
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,740
past two years quietly they would be

555
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:12,480
mind blown and they would rethink how

556
00:22:17,810 --> 00:22:15,600
they view the subjects in my opinion

557
00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:17,820
yeah yeah I mean there's definitely a

558
00:22:22,730 --> 00:22:21,059
number of people who I talk to that

559
00:22:24,890 --> 00:22:22,740
you know they're they're not even again

560
00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:24,900
I mean like look at the Hermetic

561
00:22:28,909 --> 00:22:26,940
penetrator right he has he's using that

562
00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:28,919
name for his own

563
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:30,780
protection I guess you if we can say

564
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:33,120
that and the guy is doing such

565
00:22:36,350 --> 00:22:34,559
incredible work and he's so forward

566
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:36,360
thinking

567
00:22:39,169 --> 00:22:37,200
um

568
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,179
and you know

569
00:22:43,549 --> 00:22:41,520
maybe nobody will ever know you know

570
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:43,559
I've encouraged him to come out a little

571
00:22:47,570 --> 00:22:45,360
and he was going to come on my channel

572
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:47,580
before the loose threats thing but after

573
00:22:53,450 --> 00:22:51,120
loose threads came out because you know

574
00:22:56,029 --> 00:22:53,460
I I don't he's he's protective of his

575
00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:56,039
identity and stuff and I get it

576
00:22:59,330 --> 00:22:57,419
um

577
00:23:02,870 --> 00:22:59,340
Omega Point uh

578
00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:02,880
uh I suspect will will be coming out a

579
00:23:07,789 --> 00:23:04,860
little more so people are gonna know him

580
00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:07,799
personally at least you know

581
00:23:10,669 --> 00:23:08,700
um

582
00:23:13,130 --> 00:23:10,679
but I hope they do follow-up work yeah

583
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:13,140
for sure that would be great yeah but

584
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,559
again yeah people like Giuliano and and

585
00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:19,200
Omega and and hermetic pen Trader I I

586
00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:20,580
mean there's countless others there's

587
00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:22,620
and and there's definitely people that I

588
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,600
don't need I'm not even aware of are

589
00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:26,400
doing the work that they're doing

590
00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:28,500
because I only have my network so to

591
00:23:32,510 --> 00:23:29,940
speak so

592
00:23:34,130 --> 00:23:32,520
yeah absolutely this is an interesting

593
00:23:36,169 --> 00:23:34,140
point I'd like you to tackle as well

594
00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:36,179
James um

595
00:23:39,409 --> 00:23:37,980
weren't these notes available about 15

596
00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:39,419
years ago though I seem to remember

597
00:23:43,370 --> 00:23:41,100
reading them quite a while ago and they

598
00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:43,380
just weren't verified but plausible that

599
00:23:48,110 --> 00:23:45,900
I think the earliest thing we saw all we

600
00:23:50,330 --> 00:23:48,120
heard about was two pages that Richard

601
00:23:52,610 --> 00:23:50,340
Dolan got in in the early days but we

602
00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:52,620
didn't even have access to them did we

603
00:23:56,930 --> 00:23:55,620
no we didn't really put them out no and

604
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:56,940
that was the funny Richard didn't have

605
00:24:02,450 --> 00:24:00,960
them so this is the crazy thing and I I

606
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,460
recently got a number of people on the

607
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:04,799
record recently to kind of

608
00:24:10,669 --> 00:24:07,380
paint this picture you know Richard was

609
00:24:14,330 --> 00:24:10,679
shown the notes in 2006 he was at a

610
00:24:17,149 --> 00:24:14,340
conference and somebody from Ned's AKA

611
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,159
somebody from this group showed him two

612
00:24:21,470 --> 00:24:19,440
pages or three pages of the notes yeah

613
00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:21,480
they did not allow him to take a picture

614
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,460
or whatever he was just allowed to read

615
00:24:28,490 --> 00:24:25,200
them

616
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:28,500
and on a few occasions he talked about

617
00:24:33,649 --> 00:24:30,840
it and I remember this back in like 2007

618
00:24:36,529 --> 00:24:33,659
2008 2009 him talking about the Wilson

619
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:36,539
Davis meeting and that he had cooperated

620
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:39,000
it through a number of sources and I at

621
00:24:42,110 --> 00:24:40,559
that time I had no idea that he had seen

622
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,120
it because I didn't know at the at that

623
00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:44,159
time the notes existed because nobody

624
00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:46,260
did the only people who knew at that

625
00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:48,600
time were Richard because Richard saw

626
00:24:52,610 --> 00:24:49,980
the notes

627
00:24:55,970 --> 00:24:52,620
um the nibs group everybody in that

628
00:24:58,669 --> 00:24:55,980
group I assume that all the players we

629
00:24:59,930 --> 00:24:58,679
would assume have and again I had valet

630
00:25:01,610 --> 00:24:59,940
on the other week and I said you know

631
00:25:03,890 --> 00:25:01,620
Jacques when's the first time you saw

632
00:25:05,690 --> 00:25:03,900
the notes and it was it's clear again he

633
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:05,700
saw the notes back when

634
00:25:12,529 --> 00:25:08,280
the nibs team got them right I mean

635
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,539
again Eric left mids early 2002. but by

636
00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:15,120
all means they were all still connected

637
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,440
um you know

638
00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:19,679
and we know that and then Leslie Kane

639
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:22,980
was shown the notes in 2007 or 2008

640
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,600
which we she talked about on my channel

641
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:27,120
for the first time but she saw the full

642
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:28,320
notes

643
00:25:36,289 --> 00:25:32,400
and yeah she saw the the full she was at

644
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,299
a conference in 2007 or 2008. and she

645
00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:38,159
was taken to a car she was not allowed

646
00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:40,620
to take pictures or notes or whatever

647
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,020
but she was allowed to see the full

648
00:25:48,289 --> 00:25:45,360
notes and

649
00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:48,299
and again you know she and the the thing

650
00:25:51,289 --> 00:25:49,799
was too is like

651
00:25:53,690 --> 00:25:51,299
I don't know if too many people know

652
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,700
that but one of one of Leslie Kane's

653
00:25:57,169 --> 00:25:55,679
major sources and I don't think this is

654
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:57,179
the person who showed her the notes to

655
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,080
be clear

656
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,240
but one of her major sources back then

657
00:26:03,769 --> 00:26:01,919
or in the early days was commander will

658
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,779
Miller

659
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,000
you know she's like okay she cites him

660
00:26:11,149 --> 00:26:08,159
in the Boston Globe and even in her

661
00:26:13,370 --> 00:26:11,159
books uh UFOs you know generals and

662
00:26:15,230 --> 00:26:13,380
Pilots uh and officials go on the record

663
00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:15,240
there's a few quotes in there from

664
00:26:19,789 --> 00:26:18,179
Miller and Miller again he he was he's

665
00:26:22,669 --> 00:26:19,799
one of the people he set up the meeting

666
00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:22,679
basically between

667
00:26:29,450 --> 00:26:25,740
um Wilson and and Greer and Ed Mitchell

668
00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:29,460
because Miller was a Navy guy and and so

669
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,559
was Wilson they knew each other and I I

670
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:34,320
had found a document

671
00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:37,260
um you know during in in Stephen Greer's

672
00:26:39,769 --> 00:26:38,460
work actually

673
00:26:43,250 --> 00:26:39,779
that

674
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:43,260
had Miller and and Wilson communicating

675
00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:46,500
into and in 1995

676
00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:49,140
and the issue was brought up so in 1995

677
00:26:53,649 --> 00:26:51,539
Miller and Wilson are talking about UFOs

678
00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:53,659
and and their interest in it and and

679
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:56,460
possibly putting together a meeting

680
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:00,480
and then you know lo and behold in 1997

681
00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:04,140
the meaning happens with with Dr Greer

682
00:27:09,529 --> 00:27:07,080
um will Miller Commander will Miller you

683
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,539
know who I've spoken to uh and Joe Mercy

684
00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:11,520
is friends with as well yeah

685
00:27:15,169 --> 00:27:13,860
um Dr Edgar Mitchell and then and then

686
00:27:17,149 --> 00:27:15,179
two people from the disclosure project

687
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,159
were also there Sherry adamack who was

688
00:27:22,190 --> 00:27:19,679
Stephen Greer's right hand and um right

689
00:27:24,289 --> 00:27:22,200
hand woman who was very instrumental in

690
00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:24,299
the ccity work

691
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:26,760
um who passed away in 97 all right not

692
00:27:31,789 --> 00:27:30,059
98 maybe 97 98

693
00:27:33,529 --> 00:27:31,799
um and uh Stephen lovekin who was

694
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,539
another disclosure project witness is

695
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:35,039
his testimony is on the disclosure

696
00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:37,260
project witness testimony

697
00:27:43,549 --> 00:27:39,960
um YouTube stuff so they were all there

698
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:43,559
for you know this meeting with Tom

699
00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:46,500
Wilson vice admiral Tom Wilson J2 at the

700
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:47,340
time

701
00:27:52,010 --> 00:27:50,400
and you know

702
00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:52,020
there's a lot of there's still

703
00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:54,779
controversy about this document

704
00:27:58,250 --> 00:27:55,559
um

705
00:28:01,070 --> 00:27:58,260
that that Stephen Greer had that he

706
00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:01,080
allegedly was given the document by an

707
00:28:06,169 --> 00:28:03,240
NSA Source that's what he claims I don't

708
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:06,179
know but the document was an nro

709
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,860
document

710
00:28:15,169 --> 00:28:09,360
and

711
00:28:17,330 --> 00:28:15,179
different programs

712
00:28:20,269 --> 00:28:17,340
and allegedly

713
00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:20,279
Greer sent this out to Wilson's people

714
00:28:26,029 --> 00:28:23,820
uh you know a a bit a little bit in

715
00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:26,039
advance of the meeting and in that time

716
00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:28,980
Wilson and his assistant were able they

717
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,039
identified a program somewhere in that

718
00:28:39,649 --> 00:28:37,010
um and again this controversy if the

719
00:28:42,169 --> 00:28:39,659
document's real or not but

720
00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:42,179
I don't

721
00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:45,240
I think that it's probably genuine or I

722
00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:47,580
because the story goes that you know

723
00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:49,740
even Ed Mitchell says that

724
00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:52,260
Wilson was able to identify a program on

725
00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:53,880
there and

726
00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:58,620
Wilson track down the program and and

727
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:00,840
they told him he he didn't have a need

728
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,980
to know you know and you know within two

729
00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:07,200
months he had arranged a meeting to fly

730
00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:10,740
out and and talk with the security

731
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,380
officer the program manager and the

732
00:29:18,049 --> 00:29:16,080
corporate lawyer or attorney

733
00:29:20,210 --> 00:29:18,059
about the program and that's when they

734
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:20,220
get into the Weeds about no this was uh

735
00:29:24,769 --> 00:29:22,140
as non-human technology

736
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:24,779
they can't make the progress on it uh he

737
00:29:27,529 --> 00:29:26,220
doesn't have need to know he's not on

738
00:29:28,909 --> 00:29:27,539
the bigot list he doesn't meet the

739
00:29:32,269 --> 00:29:28,919
requirements

740
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:32,279
and you know again Wilson was Furious he

741
00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:34,260
he went back to the um special access

742
00:29:39,169 --> 00:29:36,899
oversight committee I believe and and

743
00:29:40,669 --> 00:29:39,179
said what the hell and they told him to

744
00:29:43,070 --> 00:29:40,679
back off unless he doesn't want to

745
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:43,080
retire early or lose a star or two yep

746
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:44,580
and

747
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:48,000
um you know Wilson was the deputy

748
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:49,980
director of the DIA at that time

749
00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:53,640
and likely because he even though he was

750
00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:55,140
still pissed and chasing the story

751
00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:56,760
several years later

752
00:30:01,630 --> 00:29:59,880
you know he he you know he listened

753
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:01,640
basically and he ended up getting

754
00:30:08,029 --> 00:30:05,220
promoted to the director of the DIA

755
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,039
um you know which good for him

756
00:30:13,549 --> 00:30:09,840
um I can understand why he would never

757
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:13,559
want to talk about this uh you know for

758
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,419
several reasons other than the the

759
00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:17,520
National Security implications I mean

760
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:19,860
it's embarrassing right this he's one of

761
00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:21,240
the head honchos and they're telling him

762
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:23,640
like he you had you don't have the need

763
00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:26,399
to know and uh you know sorry basically

764
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:29,700
yeah no absolutely man I mean where does

765
00:30:33,889 --> 00:30:31,740
that link in with I mean what we're

766
00:30:36,830 --> 00:30:33,899
hearing now is the Congress has been

767
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,840
made aware of Legacy programs and one

768
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,640
thing that isn't I mean it's mentioned

769
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:41,039
quite frequently but that I can't quite

770
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:43,320
seem to find the connection and it seems

771
00:30:47,630 --> 00:30:45,480
to be a real gray area is the Aerospace

772
00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:47,640
you know the private Aerospace industry

773
00:30:51,409 --> 00:30:50,100
connection to all of this and just well

774
00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:51,419
before you pipe in I'm just going to

775
00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:53,640
unlock this window next to me so you go

776
00:30:59,690 --> 00:30:55,860
ahead I I can hear you

777
00:31:02,630 --> 00:30:59,700
and no no just for uh well so yeah the

778
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:02,640
Aerospace Legacy connection I mean it

779
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,700
seems you know even the Wilson When

780
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:07,919
Wilson was inquiring about this and he

781
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,799
found the alleged program it led him to

782
00:31:15,529 --> 00:31:13,200
a private Aerospace contractor

783
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:15,539
so you're talking about

784
00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:17,640
um you know there's the big names in the

785
00:31:23,210 --> 00:31:20,820
in the Aerospace world that are suspects

786
00:31:26,029 --> 00:31:23,220
a lot of people suspect that it was uh

787
00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:26,039
Lockheed I I have no idea

788
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:29,399
but you know uh Dr Eric Davis is has

789
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,740
said the same thing and you know Stephen

790
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:34,080
Greer has has said the same thing

791
00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:36,059
and I believe Ed Mitchell has said the

792
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:37,620
same thing so all these people are

793
00:31:42,529 --> 00:31:40,380
talking about uh you know private

794
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:42,539
contractors getting

795
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:44,820
access to the material for a number of

796
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,980
reasons you know even if you go back to

797
00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:49,440
the Philip Corso

798
00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:50,460
um

799
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,380
you know testimony

800
00:31:56,029 --> 00:31:54,240
um and not even the book that Philip

801
00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:56,039
Corso wrote the results he had something

802
00:32:01,970 --> 00:31:58,860
before that which um is available

803
00:32:04,909 --> 00:32:01,980
through open Minds website but it's also

804
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:04,919
a PDF on the internet and uh you know

805
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:07,260
Philip Corso before he had the book he

806
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:10,980
had written his the basic notes

807
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,260
um called dawn of a new era

808
00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:16,080
and it's I it's

809
00:32:22,130 --> 00:32:19,980
uh more it's a more pure form of of what

810
00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:22,140
Phil Corso Philip Corso was trying to

811
00:32:25,549 --> 00:32:23,940
communicate

812
00:32:26,690 --> 00:32:25,559
um and just for people listening Philip

813
00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:26,700
of course there's a disclosure project

814
00:32:30,889 --> 00:32:28,620
witness who came forward and said that

815
00:32:34,330 --> 00:32:30,899
you know he was

816
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:34,340
you know authorized as one of his jobs

817
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,880
to take UFO recover technology and and

818
00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:41,279
get it out to

819
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:43,320
National Laboratories and private

820
00:32:47,389 --> 00:32:44,940
contractors

821
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,399
so that story goes back

822
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:49,440
several decades

823
00:32:54,370 --> 00:32:52,500
and you know even Dr Davis in one of

824
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:54,380
these earlier interviews is saying that

825
00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:58,320
he he tried he checked out the the

826
00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:59,820
Philip Corso story and that was

827
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,080
basically true

828
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:02,880
you know

829
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,260
that through official channels

830
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:10,080
so you know there's the connection with

831
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,140
uh with private Aerospace and

832
00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:14,880
there's a few reasons that people

833
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:17,700
speculate why you know private Aerospace

834
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:19,140
gets access

835
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:21,779
first they're the leading Minds in the

836
00:33:28,669 --> 00:33:24,360
field right you want the best Minds

837
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:28,679
possible in the field and you know

838
00:33:33,409 --> 00:33:30,840
corporate pays better you know

839
00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:33,419
proprietary companies pay better so they

840
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:36,179
get they get the best and and you know a

841
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,740
lot of people

842
00:33:42,289 --> 00:33:40,320
have said even I believe Dr kit green

843
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:42,299
has said this publicly to Rich Dolan in

844
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:45,840
an interview is that actually when you

845
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:47,880
leave when you leave the Pentagon and go

846
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,519
to the corporate world

847
00:33:54,250 --> 00:33:52,559
um you know say you're in DOD and now

848
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,260
you're working for a private contractor

849
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,600
your clearances go up you get more

850
00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:59,519
access

851
00:34:03,409 --> 00:34:01,740
um and I don't know the mechanism or

852
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:03,419
reason for that but

853
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:05,940
if kit green is saying that I you know I

854
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:07,320
tend to take his word on it because he's

855
00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:08,820
been in the business for you know so

856
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:10,440
long

857
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:12,060
um but you know so you have the best

858
00:34:17,450 --> 00:34:14,760
minds and also you know you can't foia

859
00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:17,460
the recipe for Coca-Cola right it's

860
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:19,619
proprietary information it's protected

861
00:34:23,389 --> 00:34:21,060
by the law

862
00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:23,399
so it seems they found uh like a

863
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,000
loophole right yeah to you know not only

864
00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:28,800
get the best Minds to look at this

865
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:30,359
technology and try to make sense of it

866
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,359
but also it's it's protected by the law

867
00:34:38,690 --> 00:34:34,800
basically

868
00:34:41,149 --> 00:34:38,700
and even in secret machines you know the

869
00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:41,159
the fictional version

870
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:42,540
uh

871
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:44,940
you know they're talking about

872
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:48,599
the the Maynard Consortium Corporation

873
00:34:53,329 --> 00:34:51,240
is this like private

874
00:34:55,849 --> 00:34:53,339
group of people who are like big

875
00:34:57,470 --> 00:34:55,859
banksters and and people with a lot of

876
00:35:01,550 --> 00:34:57,480
money and power

877
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:01,560
but they're they use uh us you know they

878
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:06,240
are able to get the contract and and I

879
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:08,220
forget the exact title but and again

880
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,260
this is something that was in the the

881
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:12,000
secret machines book which came out in

882
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,320
like 2016 or something 2015 2016. and

883
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:19,440
the in the book it's talking about this

884
00:35:22,970 --> 00:35:20,700
special

885
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:22,980
um title and code that you you're able

886
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:25,260
to use in the classified world

887
00:35:30,589 --> 00:35:27,480
and if you look up the code it's taught

888
00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:30,599
it's talking about the waived saps right

889
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:32,940
so they had you know they were they

890
00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:34,440
released it in this fiction book but

891
00:35:38,089 --> 00:35:36,300
actually you know even years later you

892
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:38,099
know Christopher melon and Lou Alexander

893
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:39,480
were out there talking about the waived

894
00:35:46,910 --> 00:35:42,480
saps yep that's where it seemed that

895
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,650
absolutely

896
00:35:52,370 --> 00:35:50,400
I mean and that's the thing I mean we

897
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:52,380
keep hearing about this whistleblower

898
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,880
language coming out for the National

899
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:55,920
Defense authorization act for fiscal

900
00:36:01,130 --> 00:35:58,680
year 2023 but then we hear people like

901
00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:01,140
Ross Coulton who are like it's [\h__\h]

902
00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:03,480
it's not good enough it's not protecting

903
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,839
these uh whistleblowers enough and what

904
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:08,640
I've sort of gathered from that is that

905
00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:10,020
some of these whistleblowers do have

906
00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:12,900
connections through uh outsourced

907
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:14,940
programs into the I'd say the black

908
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:16,440
world but I think it's the gray world

909
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:18,300
the gray that in between where they're

910
00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:20,940
just buried programs within programs

911
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:22,859
within programs and there's no guarantee

912
00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:24,540
that if these people come forward that

913
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:26,099
they'll get their pensions they'll

914
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:27,780
they'll keep their jobs they'll be safe

915
00:36:30,849 --> 00:36:29,160
you know is that kind of what you're

916
00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:30,859
getting at the moment

917
00:36:35,089 --> 00:36:33,780
yeah I mean I'm again I'm I'm hearing

918
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:35,099
different things

919
00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:36,180
um yeah yeah yeah

920
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:39,000
you know Dean Johnson had

921
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:41,160
had responded to somebody's tweet about

922
00:36:44,569 --> 00:36:42,420
that

923
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:44,579
uh because Leslie Kane also said well

924
00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:47,220
you know she's not sure you know again

925
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:49,140
just like Ross coltheart if the language

926
00:36:56,990 --> 00:36:52,320
is adequate to protect these people and

927
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:57,000
I I agree with Ross that it should be

928
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,400
you know there's the responsibility and

929
00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:01,440
the stress shouldn't be placed on the

930
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,420
whistleblowers it shouldn't work like

931
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,000
that it you know the Rama the

932
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,520
ramifications for that should be placed

933
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:10,800
on the institutions for basically doing

934
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:13,200
something illegal

935
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:16,619
um so so they're not taking as much of a

936
00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:23,390
so I don't I I don't know on on a

937
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:24,839
technical level

938
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:27,960
how much protection they have yeah um

939
00:37:32,329 --> 00:37:30,300
and if it's you know when push comes to

940
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,339
shove what you know what they're

941
00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:34,800
actually up against

942
00:37:40,609 --> 00:37:37,800
um but I I do know that some of these

943
00:37:42,589 --> 00:37:40,619
Legacy people you know have been helping

944
00:37:44,270 --> 00:37:42,599
this whole time and they've been

945
00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:44,280
cooperating

946
00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:45,900
um you know more than that they've been

947
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:47,579
going out of their way to push this

948
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,480
forward

949
00:37:53,329 --> 00:37:50,880
and we've probably heard one or two of

950
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:53,339
these names before in in a leak or

951
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:54,180
something

952
00:38:06,490 --> 00:37:56,339
and

953
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:06,500
I from what I have gathered I have not

954
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,260
seen that they're not going to come

955
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:12,000
forward in in

956
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,700
the way that they are able to you know

957
00:38:19,069 --> 00:38:16,560
that doesn't mean that they're gonna be

958
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:19,079
on CNN talking about Crash retrievals no

959
00:38:22,910 --> 00:38:21,000
they have to go through proper channels

960
00:38:25,609 --> 00:38:22,920
they have to go through Congress

961
00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:25,619
and at that point I don't know what's

962
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,140
going to happen but the people that I've

963
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:30,480
spoken to are optimistic that

964
00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:32,760
you know crash retrievals are going to

965
00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:35,460
be put on the agenda

966
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,540
um and you know shortly thereafter is

967
00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:42,000
somehow going to be acknowledged

968
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,140
publicly

969
00:38:47,530 --> 00:38:45,599
and I don't you know again we're we're

970
00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:47,540
still we're we're still seeing

971
00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:50,339
resistance and you know infighting

972
00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:51,780
basically and that's why we have all

973
00:38:57,410 --> 00:38:53,400
these distortions and nobody knows

974
00:38:59,569 --> 00:38:57,420
what's going on in the public uh because

975
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:59,579
not everybody's in agreement about this

976
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:02,400
so

977
00:39:06,589 --> 00:39:04,680
I we're in Uncharted Territory literally

978
00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:06,599
and

979
00:39:09,370 --> 00:39:08,220
I don't think anybody knows what's going

980
00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:09,380
to happen

981
00:39:14,930 --> 00:39:12,119
but I know that people that are trying

982
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,940
or trying their their darndest

983
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:16,800
and and they're going to see it through

984
00:39:19,730 --> 00:39:18,060
right they're going to do everything

985
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,740
within their power and maybe a little

986
00:39:23,450 --> 00:39:20,880
more

987
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,460
to to see it through because I mean

988
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:24,960
they're on a mission now and some of

989
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:26,280
these people

990
00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:28,920
uh like Lou and and others or they're

991
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:30,839
very Mission oriented they take it very

992
00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:32,520
seriously you don't you don't just drop

993
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,780
the mission you see it through to the

994
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,760
end and that's it how wherever the chips

995
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,160
fall that's where they fall

996
00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:41,280
um but I'm I'm optimistic I'm optimistic

997
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:44,339
and I'm confident that

998
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:45,540
you know

999
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:48,960
if if there were some of these people

1000
00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:51,119
um you know it's possible that they've

1001
00:39:55,130 --> 00:39:52,859
already spoken to the people they need

1002
00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:55,140
to speak to yeah and

1003
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,420
and they didn't even wait for the

1004
00:40:02,990 --> 00:40:00,480
language to be drafted uh so you know

1005
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,000
for whatever that's worth

1006
00:40:08,270 --> 00:40:06,000
people know what's going on and it's

1007
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,280
it's a matter of what are people going

1008
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:10,079
to do with that information

1009
00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:12,900
and you know Lou said some years ago now

1010
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,700
in an interview with George Knapp like

1011
00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:16,560
you got to give these people time you're

1012
00:40:20,030 --> 00:40:18,359
trying to give them a six course meal in

1013
00:40:22,609 --> 00:40:20,040
in one course that's not gonna work they

1014
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:22,619
have to process this right like if if

1015
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:24,599
you're on the Senate intelligence

1016
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:27,000
committee or armed service committee or

1017
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,680
congress even if you're on the gang of

1018
00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:30,480
eight and this is the first time you're

1019
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:33,540
hearing about this and you have some

1020
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:35,460
kind of military

1021
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:39,119
slash retired corporate Insider telling

1022
00:40:42,050 --> 00:40:40,380
you that we are in possession of

1023
00:40:43,849 --> 00:40:42,060
non-human technology and we've been

1024
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,859
visited and everything you heard about

1025
00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:46,400
UFOs and all that is true

1026
00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:48,780
and you're responsible for it now

1027
00:40:53,690 --> 00:40:51,240
because now I've told you you're liable

1028
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:53,700
to act down in that information like

1029
00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:58,560
holy [\h__\h] right so you know what what

1030
00:41:01,310 --> 00:40:59,579
are people going to do with that

1031
00:41:03,290 --> 00:41:01,320
information even if they're told Through

1032
00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:03,300
official channels

1033
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:06,260
um and and maybe not everybody

1034
00:41:10,730 --> 00:41:08,820
that's that's being briefed is in

1035
00:41:14,270 --> 00:41:10,740
agreement or even knows what to make

1036
00:41:16,310 --> 00:41:14,280
sense of that so it I I foresee things

1037
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:16,320
taking time

1038
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:17,040
um

1039
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:20,220
but I'm I'm still one of those uh people

1040
00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:24,000
who have faith in humanity sure um so I

1041
00:41:28,849 --> 00:41:26,820
I think that that people are are going

1042
00:41:29,710 --> 00:41:28,859
to try to do their best given that

1043
00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:29,720
information

1044
00:41:34,670 --> 00:41:32,760
and again I'm optimistic

1045
00:41:36,290 --> 00:41:34,680
and if I really want to get super

1046
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:36,300
speculative

1047
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:39,780
um you know I think that the phenomenon

1048
00:41:46,010 --> 00:41:43,200
is is guiding

1049
00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:46,020
this process at least

1050
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:48,119
um or I can say guiding I can say

1051
00:41:54,109 --> 00:41:50,940
manipulating I can say influencing

1052
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:54,119
I don't think that the increased

1053
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:57,900
encounters are are a coincidence

1054
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:01,920
I don't think they're purely because of

1055
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:04,740
um the upgraded technology and sensors I

1056
00:42:08,690 --> 00:42:06,420
I think that there literally is more

1057
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,700
activity and it's the phenomenon's way

1058
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,839
of

1059
00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:11,640
pushing the issue

1060
00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:14,040
yeah absolutely and I I'm a positive

1061
00:42:17,690 --> 00:42:15,720
person too and

1062
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,700
that might turn around and bite me in

1063
00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:20,160
the ass further down the line but it

1064
00:42:23,650 --> 00:42:22,380
keeps me going and and that's that's all

1065
00:42:26,569 --> 00:42:23,660
I can say about good for your health

1066
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:26,579
exactly exactly

1067
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:28,440
on a very literal level it's actually

1068
00:42:32,990 --> 00:42:31,140
good for your biology and mind State and

1069
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,000
especially working in this subject you

1070
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:34,800
know because you start feeling the

1071
00:42:39,530 --> 00:42:36,900
weights getting on your shoulders and

1072
00:42:42,589 --> 00:42:39,540
before long you just it becomes so heavy

1073
00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:42,599
and too much so yeah tell us what I do

1074
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,660
for fun yeah you're the Hulk you're like

1075
00:42:49,550 --> 00:42:47,760
these I just came from the gym so I was

1076
00:42:52,609 --> 00:42:49,560
just putting weights on my shoulders for

1077
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:52,619
fun beast mode beast mode activated

1078
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,380
today with James and we love it uh blue

1079
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:57,599
eyes is race is a point here how can

1080
00:43:00,770 --> 00:42:59,220
people talk about agencies and other

1081
00:43:02,809 --> 00:43:00,780
people withholding information when

1082
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:02,819
they're doing the same thing I suppose

1083
00:43:06,290 --> 00:43:04,140
the one thing I would have to say to

1084
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:06,300
that is it's Source protection we hear

1085
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,040
this through journalism we hear it

1086
00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:10,160
through you people's

1087
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:12,780
researchers is that

1088
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:14,819
people get told things and they get told

1089
00:43:19,609 --> 00:43:16,680
not to release it and you have to kind

1090
00:43:21,770 --> 00:43:19,619
of respect Source sources wishes because

1091
00:43:23,569 --> 00:43:21,780
if you start

1092
00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:23,579
spouting out what you've been told to

1093
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:25,619
withhold then you're never going to get

1094
00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:27,960
told stuff again and I mean that to a

1095
00:43:30,829 --> 00:43:29,220
point where

1096
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,839
you're not getting told the secrets of

1097
00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:32,400
the universe here or the secrets of the

1098
00:43:37,069 --> 00:43:34,380
UFO subject because I believe it's just

1099
00:43:38,990 --> 00:43:37,079
little directions to go in from what I

1100
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:39,000
garnered same with Ross who talks about

1101
00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:41,940
this a lot and so it's kind of

1102
00:43:45,950 --> 00:43:43,800
that's how I look at it when when it's

1103
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,960
like withholding information it's the

1104
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:47,520
government and the military may be

1105
00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:49,740
withholding the big picture but within

1106
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,420
that you'll get people withholding

1107
00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:53,280
little tidbits that

1108
00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:55,140
they have to respect what do you think

1109
00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:57,420
James yeah so I mean there's several

1110
00:44:01,849 --> 00:43:59,880
levels to that right like yeah I mean

1111
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,859
yeah some of these people and sources

1112
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:03,359
they they'd love to tell you everything

1113
00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:06,800
they know they're they have a great

1114
00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:09,240
stress and responsibility and again like

1115
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:11,099
the weight on your shoulders of holding

1116
00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:14,040
this this secret right

1117
00:44:19,609 --> 00:44:16,740
um and being in the shadows and and

1118
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:19,619
you know they want to help

1119
00:44:23,569 --> 00:44:22,260
um and it's it's it's not just it's not

1120
00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:23,579
like they're trying to hoard the

1121
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,280
information like okay if you have a NDA

1122
00:44:31,370 --> 00:44:28,319
or security clearance you're literally

1123
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:31,380
your your life depends on it uh you know

1124
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:33,420
your career your livelihood and your

1125
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:34,920
family and your house and your mortgage

1126
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:36,900
and everything like that

1127
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,880
um and again like Lou has said it's not

1128
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:41,040
it's not about you know it's not like oh

1129
00:44:44,510 --> 00:44:42,300
it's about money I'm going to keep my

1130
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:44,520
jobs like you have an honor a code of

1131
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,400
honor that you're respecting to protect

1132
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:49,680
the people of this country

1133
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,300
um and they take that very seriously

1134
00:44:56,089 --> 00:44:53,280
that's an oath that they took

1135
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:56,099
so that there's that level to it but

1136
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,420
then again there's the trickle-down

1137
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,760
effect where you know maybe some of

1138
00:45:04,490 --> 00:45:01,920
these sources they want to help inform

1139
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,500
the Public's research right so maybe a

1140
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:06,480
researcher gets a hold of them

1141
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:09,060
and they can't really tell you the

1142
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,740
details of something but they can steer

1143
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,000
you in the direction that's going to

1144
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,460
help the research

1145
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,839
and

1146
00:45:20,089 --> 00:45:18,240
if me or you or you know other

1147
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:20,099
researchers are told something it's not

1148
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,660
like oh you know we're

1149
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:23,760
you know we're positioning ourselves

1150
00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:25,140
above the community because we have

1151
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:27,540
information it's like we all you know

1152
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:29,460
don't want to compromise the work that's

1153
00:45:33,950 --> 00:45:32,280
being done right like if we go blurt

1154
00:45:36,109 --> 00:45:33,960
something out

1155
00:45:37,309 --> 00:45:36,119
um that could potentially sabotage an

1156
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:37,319
initiative

1157
00:45:44,690 --> 00:45:38,640
and

1158
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,700
they're playing right like

1159
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,520
uh for example people and again I don't

1160
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:49,200
know how true this is

1161
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:51,720
but you know someone speculated that you

1162
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,720
know the New York Times piece

1163
00:45:58,490 --> 00:45:55,920
um

1164
00:46:00,829 --> 00:45:58,500
that was done by Julian Barnes really

1165
00:46:02,270 --> 00:46:00,839
pissed some people off and you know part

1166
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:02,280
of the reason that we haven't seen the

1167
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:03,900
report yet is because Congress was

1168
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,119
really pissed and they wanted more

1169
00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:09,359
information from the odni before the

1170
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,300
report was officially submitted

1171
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,400
um so that's you know and that was like

1172
00:46:20,089 --> 00:46:16,079
a preemptive strike right it's an

1173
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:20,099
anonymous source and it is in complete

1174
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:24,000
uh controversy and conflict with another

1175
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:25,859
article that was put out by the daily

1176
00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:28,200
mail saying way different things from

1177
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:30,780
other sources so yeah

1178
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:36,589
information getting out in different

1179
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,220
ways and the spin that's put on the

1180
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,560
information can can affect what's going

1181
00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:42,240
on and everything that we're seeing here

1182
00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:44,220
on the outside

1183
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:45,060
um

1184
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:48,960
so you know again as a researcher you

1185
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:50,700
want to protect your sources it's you

1186
00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:52,380
know it's not only like oh I can if I

1187
00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:53,700
protect my source I'm going to get more

1188
00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:55,500
information

1189
00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:56,280
um

1190
00:46:59,690 --> 00:46:57,660
you know it's

1191
00:47:01,970 --> 00:46:59,700
if you know you're you have a

1192
00:47:03,890 --> 00:47:01,980
responsibility and a respect for that

1193
00:47:06,829 --> 00:47:03,900
individual that you're you're not gonna

1194
00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:06,839
blow their cover either because

1195
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:08,099
you know

1196
00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:10,500
in in the intelligence World they they

1197
00:47:15,470 --> 00:47:13,140
use that as a way to track who's talking

1198
00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:15,480
you know what I mean you're given

1199
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:17,220
certain information and they follow

1200
00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:19,260
where the information goes and this

1201
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:20,700
person has this piece so they know where

1202
00:47:26,089 --> 00:47:24,240
it came from right so uh there's there's

1203
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,099
all different levels to it

1204
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,800
yeah absolutely now James man you've

1205
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,960
been awesome jumping on here tonight um

1206
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,880
and we've gone nearly wow we're close

1207
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:34,800
getting close to the hour but we cannot

1208
00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:36,420
leave because one thing we need to talk

1209
00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:38,339
about because in a week's time you're

1210
00:47:42,410 --> 00:47:40,440
hosting the second inquiry into

1211
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:42,420
anomalous experiences and the phenomena

1212
00:47:46,910 --> 00:47:44,940
conference in New York city so please

1213
00:47:49,130 --> 00:47:46,920
please tell us about that

1214
00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:49,140
sure yeah I'm really excited about it

1215
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,060
it's a you know it's it's really

1216
00:47:55,849 --> 00:47:53,760
incredible that you know we were able to

1217
00:47:58,609 --> 00:47:55,859
put the first one together at all and

1218
00:47:59,809 --> 00:47:58,619
and the second one as well now so that

1219
00:48:02,809 --> 00:47:59,819
is going to be

1220
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:02,819
uh Saturday December 3rd in New York

1221
00:48:06,589 --> 00:48:04,380
City but it's also going to be available

1222
00:48:09,410 --> 00:48:06,599
on live stream because when we've done

1223
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,420
these the live stream the the in-person

1224
00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:11,280
tickets have sold out within like a week

1225
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:14,220
each time it's like really incredible

1226
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,020
um but you can join in through the live

1227
00:48:19,790 --> 00:48:18,720
stream and uh you know this event is

1228
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:19,800
going to have

1229
00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:22,020
Christopher Mellon which is incredible

1230
00:48:26,750 --> 00:48:25,260
uh Leslie Kane Ralph Blumenthal Whitley

1231
00:48:30,290 --> 00:48:26,760
streber

1232
00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:30,300
um Sharon roulette Hewitt who is on the

1233
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:32,460
the Bix board the Bigelow Institute for

1234
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:34,680
Consciousness and studies and Jeffrey

1235
00:48:40,609 --> 00:48:38,040
[\h__\h] and you know Jeffrey [\h__\h] is

1236
00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:40,619
incredible and it's it's amazing that

1237
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,660
he's he's gone under the radar for so

1238
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:45,119
long and I I jokingly say that he's gone

1239
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:46,560
under the radar for so long because he

1240
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:48,900
goes over most people's heads

1241
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:52,319
um because he's he's he's done a lot of

1242
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,420
things that again people don't know

1243
00:48:59,329 --> 00:48:55,920
about and people probably won't know

1244
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,339
about uh but he's been a big supporter

1245
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,400
of this and getting academics on board

1246
00:49:06,589 --> 00:49:04,800
um and you know I think he's mentioned a

1247
00:49:09,050 --> 00:49:06,599
few times in American Cosmic so people

1248
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:09,060
might get an idea from there

1249
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:09,599
um

1250
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,480
but he you know it's incredible that

1251
00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:14,400
he's participating in this event event

1252
00:49:18,130 --> 00:49:16,260
you know he's at the chair of like

1253
00:49:20,569 --> 00:49:18,140
religious studies at Rice University

1254
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,579
where the archives of the impossible

1255
00:49:23,569 --> 00:49:21,839
took place

1256
00:49:25,309 --> 00:49:23,579
and you know again I encourage everybody

1257
00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:25,319
to go look up The Archives of the

1258
00:49:29,569 --> 00:49:27,060
impossible you know Diana pasaka

1259
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:29,579
participated Jack valet Greg Bishop uh

1260
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:31,740
you know Jay Christopher King was able

1261
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:34,260
to speak on a panel at that as well

1262
00:49:41,450 --> 00:49:37,980
which is uh which is really awesome but

1263
00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:41,460
um so people can join the event uh via

1264
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,020
live stream and if you join the event

1265
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:45,839
via live stream the next day you get

1266
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,940
access to the full you know you get an

1267
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:49,920
email with access to the full event so

1268
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,660
you can re-watch it as many times as you

1269
00:49:55,069 --> 00:49:53,280
want

1270
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:55,079
um you know but also

1271
00:50:00,050 --> 00:49:57,420
you know we're we're uploading the the

1272
00:50:02,990 --> 00:50:00,060
lectures and the talks and the Q and A's

1273
00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:03,000
to the YouTube channel so everybody can

1274
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:06,420
freely access it afterwards you know uh

1275
00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:09,180
it takes a ton to put these kind of

1276
00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:10,920
events together

1277
00:50:17,089 --> 00:50:14,700
um if you took an event on like that

1278
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:17,099
yourself I like I think your head would

1279
00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:18,599
explode

1280
00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:21,300
um it's it's really uh an effort but

1281
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:23,400
it's totally worth it and you know the

1282
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:24,540
first event

1283
00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:27,300
I think we it was incredible to see

1284
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:29,220
everybody there in person and I know Jay

1285
00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:31,020
you've been to events like that and just

1286
00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:33,240
to meet everybody and talk to people is

1287
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:35,940
really incredible

1288
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:38,520
it is I mean it was incredible I can't

1289
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:40,200
wait for the second one I've just popped

1290
00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:42,420
the link into the live chat here on the

1291
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,700
side now obviously this whole show was

1292
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,800
meant to be Nicole coming on so what I'm

1293
00:50:50,030 --> 00:50:48,720
going to do is as soon as this ends I'm

1294
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:50,040
going to go and change the description

1295
00:50:54,589 --> 00:50:52,980
this is going to be a James iandoli you

1296
00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:54,599
can leave me as Nicole I wish I was

1297
00:50:59,930 --> 00:50:57,000
Nicole I wish I was that good looking

1298
00:51:01,260 --> 00:50:59,940
I'm sorry yeah it's so good brother man

1299
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,270
uh you do it for me

1300
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:02,880
[Laughter]

1301
00:51:07,130 --> 00:51:05,640
it was totally serendipitous I you know

1302
00:51:09,770 --> 00:51:07,140
I wish Nicole made it on I was looking

1303
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:09,780
forward to her talk me too man me too

1304
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:11,940
and I'm sure whatever happens you know

1305
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:14,940
it's all good I I have no no grudges for

1306
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,619
her not turning up life gets in the way

1307
00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:19,200
it's all good we can reschedule and this

1308
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:21,000
has turned into a fantastic conversation

1309
00:51:24,770 --> 00:51:22,440
that I've wanted to have with you you

1310
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:24,780
know since at least last month and that

1311
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:26,579
but I like I said earlier I appreciate

1312
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,160
how busy you've been and you are you are

1313
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:31,200
doing like next level work at the moment

1314
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,000
but and one thing I will say is that

1315
00:51:37,609 --> 00:51:35,040
work that you do

1316
00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:37,619
still pushes me to work better myself

1317
00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:39,240
because you were the original person

1318
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:41,640
that kind of pushed me to do YouTube so

1319
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,319
that's the kind of level that I always

1320
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:45,599
set myself up so so thank you so much

1321
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,119
dude I appreciate that and I mean you're

1322
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,160
you're able to do this even more

1323
00:51:54,349 --> 00:51:52,800
consistently than me you know I'm kind

1324
00:51:55,490 --> 00:51:54,359
of all over the place and I do my best

1325
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,500
but

1326
00:51:59,930 --> 00:51:58,079
um and you know for people watching and

1327
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:59,940
listening you know Vinnie and I talked

1328
00:52:02,690 --> 00:52:01,020
about this

1329
00:52:05,569 --> 00:52:02,700
off the Record

1330
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:05,579
um yeah I'm not gonna blowing no but

1331
00:52:11,450 --> 00:52:08,819
you're good I'm gonna continue to be to

1332
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:11,460
be you know hammering away at the crash

1333
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:14,579
retrieval issue for months to come and

1334
00:52:19,309 --> 00:52:16,160
you know

1335
00:52:22,130 --> 00:52:19,319
James Fox has said that Lou told him

1336
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:22,140
like the calvary is coming

1337
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:25,200
um and I think that the crash retrieval

1338
00:52:30,049 --> 00:52:27,540
issue is is incredibly important right

1339
00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:30,059
now and

1340
00:52:35,089 --> 00:52:31,859
I mean I don't think that should be our

1341
00:52:36,589 --> 00:52:35,099
only focus and you know I think there's

1342
00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:36,599
there's other areas of the research

1343
00:52:40,609 --> 00:52:38,460
which are very important

1344
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:40,619
but I think that we need to put pressure

1345
00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:43,140
on the crash retrieval issue I think it

1346
00:52:48,109 --> 00:52:45,420
needs to be a constant theme that we

1347
00:52:50,210 --> 00:52:48,119
that we visit and inform people on and

1348
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:50,220
form UFO Twitter inform journalists

1349
00:52:54,049 --> 00:52:52,680
right who may be watching our work or

1350
00:52:54,829 --> 00:52:54,059
seeing us on Twitter seeing us on

1351
00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:54,839
YouTube

1352
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,180
because there's a lot of material there

1353
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,040
there's so much material there

1354
00:53:04,490 --> 00:53:01,680
and you know some people that may have

1355
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,500
come on board 2017 and after may only be

1356
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:06,720
familiar with Roswell

1357
00:53:10,250 --> 00:53:07,920
when

1358
00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:10,260
you know there's there's hundreds of

1359
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:12,900
Crash retrieval cases but

1360
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:17,400
there's dozens of good ones right and

1361
00:53:22,609 --> 00:53:20,640
I think that you know putting that on

1362
00:53:25,130 --> 00:53:22,619
our priority list is is going to be

1363
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:25,140
helpful especially if we have people

1364
00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:27,420
from Legacy programs

1365
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:31,020
potentially going to speak with you know

1366
00:53:35,890 --> 00:53:33,660
are going to have their testimony heard

1367
00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:35,900
and hopefully acted on

1368
00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:39,540
that we have made the proper information

1369
00:53:44,690 --> 00:53:41,880
available for those who said oh so what

1370
00:53:48,349 --> 00:53:44,700
is it with this Legacy stuff right yeah

1371
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:48,359
um well maybe Lou can't go into too much

1372
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:50,280
detail but I'm guess what I'm just a

1373
00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:53,520
random dude uh on the internet I can say

1374
00:54:00,049 --> 00:53:56,940
anything so I can make information

1375
00:54:03,730 --> 00:54:00,059
available to people you know Vinnie

1376
00:54:06,170 --> 00:54:03,740
you're you're Tony Stark

1377
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:06,180
you can make information available to

1378
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:07,200
people

1379
00:54:12,890 --> 00:54:10,020
um you know so that that's kind of the

1380
00:54:16,370 --> 00:54:12,900
way it is and

1381
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,380
I think it's important that we we keep

1382
00:54:20,030 --> 00:54:18,720
that on the Forefront and not let that

1383
00:54:23,569 --> 00:54:20,040
get buried

1384
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:23,579
just with a you know begging and waiting

1385
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:25,740
for UAP report to tell us what we

1386
00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:27,300
already know

1387
00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:28,859
um yeah it's going to be great if we

1388
00:54:33,290 --> 00:54:30,420
hear about new cases and we have

1389
00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:33,300
something new to work with and research

1390
00:54:37,250 --> 00:54:35,400
ourselves and and find the good cases

1391
00:54:38,329 --> 00:54:37,260
within that and promote it so that we

1392
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:38,339
can put that in front of the right

1393
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:39,839
people

1394
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,200
in Congress in the Senate but like

1395
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:45,839
family members friends you know people

1396
00:54:49,490 --> 00:54:48,420
in your Social Circles you know

1397
00:54:52,490 --> 00:54:49,500
um

1398
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,500
but the you know the crash retrieval

1399
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,720
issue is like again it's the red line

1400
00:54:58,730 --> 00:54:57,119
man it's the Holy Grail

1401
00:55:01,370 --> 00:54:58,740
once

1402
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:01,380
the the pressure is applied on that from

1403
00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:03,720
both the outside and the inside you know

1404
00:55:07,730 --> 00:55:06,300
I'm optimistic that

1405
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,740
it should you know it'll be taken

1406
00:55:10,910 --> 00:55:08,880
seriously

1407
00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:10,920
I completely agree

1408
00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:12,540
and that's the thing with me is you know

1409
00:55:17,089 --> 00:55:14,700
I do my YouTube I do my interviews but

1410
00:55:20,510 --> 00:55:17,099
my research that I do is another

1411
00:55:22,370 --> 00:55:20,520
secondary I have you know people coming

1412
00:55:25,609 --> 00:55:22,380
forward I had a pilot I interviewed last

1413
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:25,619
last week 747 cargo pilot which has led

1414
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:28,140
to me being contacted by other people

1415
00:55:33,049 --> 00:55:30,300
who I can't talk about publicly yet who

1416
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:33,059
may not come forward publicly but I just

1417
00:55:37,010 --> 00:55:34,260
want to say there are conversations

1418
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:37,020
happening because the momentum is

1419
00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:39,900
snowballing yeah and so we are we are

1420
00:55:44,030 --> 00:55:41,940
going in the right direction

1421
00:55:46,609 --> 00:55:44,040
um and it's incredible it's so good to

1422
00:55:48,589 --> 00:55:46,619
see and I wish the public could see the

1423
00:55:50,510 --> 00:55:48,599
same thing that I see and that you see

1424
00:55:51,950 --> 00:55:50,520
and and that um

1425
00:55:54,049 --> 00:55:51,960
I just think it's going to be an

1426
00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:54,059
interesting end to this year start of

1427
00:55:59,329 --> 00:55:56,280
next year and I'm I'm going to keep

1428
00:56:02,930 --> 00:55:59,339
hitting it you know full force with the

1429
00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:02,940
Avengers yeah totally man I we need to

1430
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:07,260
and again I am optimistic and there

1431
00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:08,460
there are a lot of things and

1432
00:56:12,829 --> 00:56:10,140
conversations going on there's more

1433
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:12,839
academics coming on board

1434
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,839
um but it is going to take time and yeah

1435
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,280
of course we all want it to happen

1436
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:19,680
yesterday but that's that's just not how

1437
00:56:23,329 --> 00:56:21,420
the reality of it works

1438
00:56:25,250 --> 00:56:23,339
potentially there are a number of things

1439
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:25,260
that could happen

1440
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,079
that accelerate the process some good

1441
00:56:35,930 --> 00:56:33,950
you know if the phenomenon wanted to it

1442
00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:35,940
could it could end the whole charade in

1443
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:37,800
in a flat second

1444
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:41,040
absolutely and you know maybe that's not

1445
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:43,200
the best thing that could happen for us

1446
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:44,460
right

1447
00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:47,760
and maybe that's why the phenomenon's

1448
00:56:52,970 --> 00:56:49,980
interaction has been in the way it has

1449
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:52,980
this whole time maybe it's

1450
00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:55,680
anticipating our our level of Readiness

1451
00:56:59,809 --> 00:56:57,540
and reaction and again this is part of

1452
00:57:02,990 --> 00:56:59,819
me being optimistic and this is part of

1453
00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:03,000
me having a ton of my own experiences

1454
00:57:06,770 --> 00:57:03,780
um

1455
00:57:08,569 --> 00:57:06,780
that's how I tend to think about it

1456
00:57:12,349 --> 00:57:08,579
these days

1457
00:57:13,549 --> 00:57:12,359
yeah it's it's it's difficult isn't it

1458
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:13,559
it's difficult we all have our

1459
00:57:18,349 --> 00:57:14,940
individual thoughts and the way that we

1460
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:18,359
break it down and keep it in our minds

1461
00:57:22,370 --> 00:57:20,040
as we progress day by day in the

1462
00:57:25,130 --> 00:57:22,380
subjects but like you said positivity

1463
00:57:27,650 --> 00:57:25,140
does help that even though we get these

1464
00:57:28,849 --> 00:57:27,660
I had it in Instagram live earlier and

1465
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,859
people were saying it seems like we're

1466
00:57:32,210 --> 00:57:30,480
in a low period I'm like I can

1467
00:57:34,670 --> 00:57:32,220
understand that but

1468
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,680
you know sometimes in the low periods it

1469
00:57:39,770 --> 00:57:36,960
comes with a smack and we're back up

1470
00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:39,780
into the high and you know it's who

1471
00:57:44,809 --> 00:57:41,700
knows what can happen well and and and

1472
00:57:45,650 --> 00:57:44,819
and the whole thing is like we're you I

1473
00:57:49,809 --> 00:57:45,660
don't want to say it like this but

1474
00:57:54,589 --> 00:57:52,490
I mean the nature of the universe itself

1475
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:54,599
is is transient right

1476
00:57:58,430 --> 00:57:55,200
um

1477
00:58:00,410 --> 00:57:58,440
so that's that's the way of of anything

1478
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:00,420
there's always highs and lows whether

1479
00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:02,400
you're talking about a football game or

1480
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:05,700
re you know research right like if

1481
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:07,140
you're talking about like even

1482
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:09,119
technological research right they hit

1483
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:11,040
walls and they're going and they finally

1484
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:12,720
make a breakthrough right and it's like

1485
00:58:16,970 --> 00:58:15,359
a big event and then it there's a come

1486
00:58:19,010 --> 00:58:16,980
down from that and there's a lull and

1487
00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:19,020
then bam there's just like an explosion

1488
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:20,700
so I mean

1489
00:58:27,710 --> 00:58:25,140
look look at the past five years there's

1490
00:58:29,329 --> 00:58:27,720
we've seen the highs and the lows and

1491
00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:29,339
we've seen

1492
00:58:34,450 --> 00:58:31,559
you know don't expect that to stop

1493
00:58:37,490 --> 00:58:34,460
basically we're gonna see that continued

1494
00:58:38,930 --> 00:58:37,500
uh pattern right there's there's like a

1495
00:58:41,150 --> 00:58:38,940
low for a few months and then something

1496
00:58:42,650 --> 00:58:41,160
explodes and there's a media wave for

1497
00:58:44,990 --> 00:58:42,660
like two or three months and then it

1498
00:58:47,930 --> 00:58:45,000
lows again and then we get another

1499
00:58:49,309 --> 00:58:47,940
amazing Revelation or confirmation and

1500
00:58:52,010 --> 00:58:49,319
then lows

1501
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,020
and you know some people say oh it's a

1502
00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:54,240
drip drip disclosure

1503
00:58:57,890 --> 00:58:56,700
um and I I don't think necessarily it's

1504
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:57,900
it's

1505
00:59:02,569 --> 00:59:00,720
by Design like that

1506
00:59:04,849 --> 00:59:02,579
um I mean if you want to talk about the

1507
00:59:07,370 --> 00:59:04,859
grander Consciousness scale okay we can

1508
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:07,380
get woo and talk about that but and and

1509
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,960
in like the real down to earth grounded

1510
00:59:14,270 --> 00:59:11,040
reality

1511
00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:14,280
approach like yeah I mean that's you

1512
00:59:20,569 --> 00:59:17,880
know this is the the way progress works

1513
00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:20,579
absolutely man absolutely we're just

1514
00:59:23,329 --> 00:59:22,140
about the hit the hour James I think

1515
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:23,339
we'll we'll call it there tonight

1516
00:59:26,990 --> 00:59:24,540
because I don't want to keep you any

1517
00:59:29,150 --> 00:59:27,000
longer I really do appreciate it but

1518
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,160
everybody that has been watching thank

1519
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,440
you so much but please go down into the

1520
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,599
description which will change after this

1521
00:59:38,270 --> 00:59:36,079
live stream so far in the description

1522
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:38,280
James's YouTube channel is there along

1523
00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:41,160
with a link to loose threads the 250

1524
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:44,220
page uh article by a mega point and the

1525
00:59:49,069 --> 00:59:46,380
Hermetic penetrator but it will what I

1526
00:59:51,170 --> 00:59:49,079
will add is a link to uh James's

1527
00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:51,180
upcoming conference a week today from

1528
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,400
New York City where you can watch

1529
00:59:57,170 --> 00:59:55,440
virtually as well so all of that will be

1530
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:57,180
in there the inquiry into anomalous

1531
01:00:01,250 --> 01:00:00,000
experiences and the phenomena and I'll

1532
01:00:02,809 --> 01:00:01,260
try and put anything else in there that

1533
01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:02,819
I think is relevant to the conversation

1534
01:00:06,289 --> 01:00:04,740
that we've just had but thank you so

1535
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:06,299
much to everybody in the live chat but

1536
01:00:11,329 --> 01:00:08,160
more importantly James thank you so much

1537
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:11,339
you really really uh

1538
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:13,680
just filled in and made it into an

1539
01:00:17,089 --> 01:00:15,359
explosive conversation I cannot thank

1540
01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:17,099
you enough brother that was a pleasant

1541
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,140
surprise totally serendipitous you know

1542
01:00:23,930 --> 01:00:21,599
I just finished at the gym and uh there

1543
01:00:25,490 --> 01:00:23,940
we have it now thank you so much man

1544
01:00:26,690 --> 01:00:25,500
always yeah it's always great coming on

1545
01:00:27,890 --> 01:00:26,700
talking to you Vinnie and you know we

1546
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:27,900
had to have you on engaging the

1547
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:30,000
phenomenon again soon uh because I'm

1548
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:31,440
going to be doing more panels as well

1549
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:34,079
and and again touching on the the crash

1550
01:00:37,789 --> 01:00:35,640
retrieval subject

1551
01:00:39,650 --> 01:00:37,799
yeah but anytime you know that man but

1552
01:00:42,289 --> 01:00:39,660
listen we carry on speaking behind the

1553
01:00:44,329 --> 01:00:42,299
scenes as we do but for now guys I will

1554
01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:44,339
update you if I can on what happened to

1555
01:00:48,589 --> 01:00:46,140
Nicole like I said I just hope that she

1556
01:00:50,210 --> 01:00:48,599
was okay she will be rescheduled to come

1557
01:00:52,430 --> 01:00:50,220
on because that conversation is going to

1558
01:00:54,589 --> 01:00:52,440
be incredible but thank you guys for for

1559
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,599
being patient and being here and and

1560
01:01:00,049 --> 01:00:57,119
having fun with us all I will be back

1561
01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:00,059
next week with

1562
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:02,400
I can't even remember my own schedule go

1563
01:01:05,150 --> 01:01:03,599
and follow me on Twitter and Instagram

1564
01:01:07,370 --> 01:01:05,160
and you're checking check out my

1565
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,380
schedule yeah so you had John Burris

1566
01:01:11,450 --> 01:01:09,599
coming on John Burris is coming on and

1567
01:01:12,890 --> 01:01:11,460
uh actually I think I've got a week off

1568
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,900
next week and then John Burroughs is

1569
01:01:16,730 --> 01:01:14,400
coming on to talk about rendersham so

1570
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:16,740
that's going to be fantastic John oh

1571
01:01:24,170 --> 01:01:21,119
make sure to press John because John

1572
01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:24,180
John knows a lot

1573
01:01:27,650 --> 01:01:26,040
yeah that's kind of like I've wanted to

1574
01:01:29,809 --> 01:01:27,660
cover renderson for a long time and I've

1575
01:01:33,230 --> 01:01:29,819
never quite figured out the right guess

1576
01:01:35,210 --> 01:01:33,240
and here we go finally honestly and I I

1577
01:01:36,829 --> 01:01:35,220
think that John is the best guest to

1578
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,839
talk about randallstrom that's my own

1579
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:38,640
opinion maybe I'm biased I've known John

1580
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,040
for a number of years now

1581
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:44,160
um but I I really appreciate uh some of

1582
01:01:51,049 --> 01:01:47,839
his perspectives although he he

1583
01:01:53,289 --> 01:01:51,059
he's John Burroughs go listen to some of

1584
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:53,299
his old school phenomenon radio

1585
01:01:59,210 --> 01:01:56,880
interviews I I recommend that but he's

1586
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,220
he's John Burrough so

1587
01:02:03,289 --> 01:02:01,440
God I love it God I love it yeah guys

1588
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,299
thank you so much so yeah go and follow

1589
01:02:07,549 --> 01:02:05,520
me and James on all the social medias

1590
01:02:08,930 --> 01:02:07,559
the links are in will will be in the

1591
01:02:11,870 --> 01:02:08,940
description in the next half an hour

1592
01:02:13,370 --> 01:02:11,880
thank you guys so much take care enjoy

1593
01:02:14,210 --> 01:02:13,380
the rest of your weekend and we'll see